SCORES & UPCOMING GAMES



CHAMPIONSHIP FINAL SCORE: (2) JEFF BUCKLEY 168, (7) Tracy Chapman 159 .......... FINAL FOUR FINAL SCORES: (7) TRACY CHAPMAN 154, (1) Joy Division 90 ..... (2) JEFF BUCKLEY 137, (1) The Cure 89 .......... ELITE EIGHT FINAL SCORES: (1) JOY DIVISION 74, (14) Low 60 ..... (7) TRACY CHAPMAN 85, (1) Elliott Smith 69 ..... THE CURE 65, (2) Radiohead 58 ..... (2) JEFF BUCKLEY 74, (1) Neutral Milk Hotel 44 ..... FINAL SWEET SIXTEEN SCORES: (1) JOY DIVISION 75, (5) PJ Harvey & Nick Cave 24 ..... (14) LOW 73, (2) Concrete Blonde (64) ..... (1) ELLIOTT SMITH 78, (4) Gary Jules 44 ..... (7) TRACY CHAPMAN 74, (6) Kate Bush 53 ..... (1) NEUTRAL MILK HOTEL 54, (13) The Church 49 ..... (2) JEFF BUCKLEY 73, (3) Sinead O’Connor 35 ..... (1) THE CURE 109, (3) Tori Amos 86 ..... (2) RADIOHEAD 76, (6) This Mortal Coil 50 ..... (1) JOY DIVISION 96, (9) Mazzy Star 91 ..... (2) CONCRETE BLONDE 76, (7) Bob Mould 28 ..... (14) LOW 60, (6) Crowded House 51 ..... (5) PJ HARVEY & NICK CAVE 65, (4) Alphaville 38 ..... (1) ELLIOTT SMITH 113, (8) Replacements 88 ..... (6) KATE BUSH 87, (3) Nirvana 64 ..... (7) TRACY CHAPMAN 99, (2) The Eels 62 ..... (3) GARY JULES 103, (12) Morrissey 63 ..... (6) Kate Bush 72, (3) Nirvana 53 ..... (3) SINEAD O'CONNOR 66, (11) Ride 27 ..... (13) THE CHURCH 106, (5) James 44 ..... (2) JEFF BUCKLEY 95, (10) Smashing Pumpkins 40 ..... (1) NEUTRAL MILK HOTEL 80, (9) New Order 56 ..... (2) RADIOHEAD 102, (7) Nine Inch Nails 99 ..... (6) THIS MORTAL COIL 61, (3) Indigo Girls 60 ..... (4) TORI AMOS 89, (5) Swans 40 ..... (1) CURE 82, (8) Tom Waits 68 ............... FINAL 1ST ROUND SCORES: (5) PJ HARVEY & NICK CAVE 93, (12) Midnight Oil 38 ..... (7) BOB MOULD 63, (10) Peter Murphy 47 ..... (1) JOY DIVISION 117, (16) Erasure 19 ..... (6) CROWDED HOUSE 98, (11) Leonard Cohen 54 ..... (7) TRACY CHAPMAN 199, (10) The Smiths 162 ..... (5) MORRISSEY 115, (12) Morphine 83 ..... (3) NIRVANA 137, (14) Slowdive 102 ..... (8) THE REPLACEMENTS 128, (9) Dream Academy 82 ..... (13) THE CHURCH 262, (4) Magnetic Fields 193 ..... (10) SMASHING PUMPKINS 165, (7) Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds 155 ..... (9) NEW ORDER 160, (8) Sarah McLachlan 78 ..... (1) JEFF BUCKLEY 204, (16) Bjork 92 ..... (4) TORI AMOS 78, (13) Echo & the Bunnymen 22 ..... (8) TOM WAITS 72, (9) The Pretenders 22 ..... (6) THIS MORTAL COIL 51, (11) Yaz 31 ..... (3) INDIGO GIRLS 71, (14) Pavement 26 ..... (9) MAZZY STAR 132, (8) REM 46 ..... (2) CONCRETE BLONDE 88, (15) Psychedelic Furs 34 ..... (4) ALPHAVILLE 71, (13) Dead Can Dance 36 ..... (14) LOW 120, (3) U2 65 ..... (1) ELLIOTT SMITH 63, (16) 10,000 Maniacs 24 ..... (2) EELS 50, (15) Counting Crows 46 ..... (4) GARY JULES 62, (13) Depeche Mode 19 ..... (6) KATE BUSH 59, (11) Sisters of Mercy 20 ..... (1) NEUTRAL MILK HOTEL 42, (16) Violent Femmes 12 ..... (11) RIDE 25 (6) Peter Gabriel 24 ..... (3) SINEAD O'CONNOR 37, (14) Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark 17, ..... (5) JAMES 24, (12) Red House Painters 23 ..... (7) NINE INCH NAILS 46, (10) Wilco 31, (5) SWANS 31, (12) Pet Shop Boys 18 ..... (1) THE CURE 50, (16) Gear Daddies 10 ..... (2) RADIOHEAD 40, (15) Liz Phair 35


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Thursday, March 10, 2016

First Round Matchup: NICK CAVE AND THE BAD SEEDS vs SMASHING PUMPKINS

(7) Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds, "The Ship Song"

Choosing a Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds song for March Sadness proved a unique challenge; there are plenty of NCBS songs in which the speaker is sad, but usually he’s sad about someone who’s dead, and usually it kinda feels like the speaker is one who made that someone dead, which places the song in different, not-quite-sad territory. This wound up coloring the selections in other ways too; “Don’t Dream It’s Over” won out over “Better Be Home Soon” because I’m now convinced that the speaker in “Home Soon” is an abusive boyfriend. Luckily, NCBS also have a strong catalog of love songs, and it is from these that we plucked our nominee. “Into My Arms” has a sad and lovely video, but it’s pretty much a torch song. Eventually, we settled on “The Ship Song” which concerns a relationship that’s just hit the turning point of doom: “For you know the time is nigh / When I must remove your wings / And you, you must try to fly.” It retains that creepy NCBS essence (you don’t actually HAVE to try to remove anyone’s wings, Nick) while remaining achingly romantic “We talk about it all night long / We define our moral ground / But when I crawl into your arms / Everything, it comes tumbling down.” The song’s refrain makes it clear that these two will never quite be out of each other’s systems, yet cannot be together for long: “Come sail your ships around me / And burn your bridges down / We make a little history, baby / Every time you come around.”



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(10) Smashing Pumpkins, "Disarm"

Judging from the Pumpkins' output, Billy Corgan’s certainly one of the saddest dudes in the tournament—maybe the saddest of those still living, and he was way back on this, their second album, and only kept escalating. I mean, only a band aiming for the title puts out an (underrated, in retrospect) album called Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness. The Smashing Pumpkins aren't a band that subtly wrapped their angst and yearning in layers of irony and sparkling wit. Nope: they go right to it from the first few bars here, and ask us to luxuriate in the almost painful wedge of sadness. So we do. You know you love the way the video begins, then the dramatic instrumentation: the strings, and uh, are those tubular bells that accompany the tympani that introduce the first part of the chorus? And isn't everyone so young in this video? They're all so beautiful. This song, like most of theirs, is straight-up freaking meant all the way through. There’s enough grand self-loathing in it (“The killer in me is the killer in you”) to make you rethink your decision to look up the lyrics, and the song might now feel easy to disregard as melodramatic, given distance and perspective from those dramatic, depressing years, but we would bet that this song goes right to a sweet spot of sadness for you (it does for us: we believe again, listening), and we know we're not the only ones who want to stay there for a while. So bask in how big this song is, and maybe how innocent we all once were ashamed to be.

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Which is sadder? Vote by 9am 3/11

Disarm
The Ship Song
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6 comments:

  1. In this video, it seems Corgan IS the little boy he used to be. It's the ZWAN paradox. Their cover or "Landslide" is most crushing, I think. But singing along to "Disarm" hurts like a well-earned cavity.

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    1. Am I crazy to say that I think Zwan is Corgan's best work? I'm still listening to that album--the Pumpkins not so much...

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    2. I love Zwan! Maybe not as much as Mellon Collie, though, if I'm being honest . . .

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  2. This was a tough one for me, but in the end, I agree with Ander above, re: murder ballads aren't sad, exactly, when the singer's the one doing the killing, and I'm afraid that all of Cave's narrator's make me uneasy (delightedly so, but still). That, and (aside from that sad, sad summer of Gish, all those years ago) I remember the Simpson's episode where the Pumpkins guest starred and Bart said, "Meh. Making teenagers depressed is like shooting fish in barrel." The Pumpkins brought it to this game.

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  3. This is a new Nick Cave tune for me. Sounds really good—the vibraphone and organ are nice touches. Powerful refrain. His album Murder Ballads showcases some unquestionably challenging subject matter, lyrically, and I echo Chelsea's sentiments about feeling uneasy at times. “The Kindness of Strangers” is beyond sad, and angering, in its description of preying on naiveté. It's very moving, musically, but it's tough to listen and not feel disturbed.

    I voted Smashing Pumpkins. I grew up with that band, and I think “Disarm” is one of their finest. But “33” takes the cake for nostalgia and emotive quality. It's got to be the original lineup, though, namely James Iha. He contributed a lot to the mix in my opinion. Incidentally, Iha's solo effort, 2012's Look to the Sky, is an excellent album. The pop-driven singles are great, but there's lots else to explore in tracks like “Waves” and the Japanese exclusive track, “Diamond Eyes.”

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  4. I am really interested by the fact that the Pumpkins don't seem to have been bothered by the band they became in the same way that U2, Counting Crows, and even R.E.M. were. This song was every bit as overplayed as the Crows song; it's aged really poorly for me (particularly in comparison with Pumpkins songs that try just a little less hard) and evokes almost nothing but the memory of how sad I thought it was when I had blonde hair. I'm seeing a few comments about how nostalgia is fueling this vote. I just find it curious that I'm able to forgive the other bands I no longer actively love but can't forgive Corgan. I am embarrassed by how much I loved this band -- I think I feel duped, something like a rat in a cage -- which fuels my resentment of the ten votes by which it beat a really solid Nick Cave song.

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